Comments on: Identity Verification Has Come http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come gonzo phenomenology of virtual worlds, by dandellion Kimban Tue, 08 Jun 2010 23:39:22 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Turborabbit http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come/comment-page-1#comment-785 Turborabbit Mon, 03 Sep 2007 04:11:35 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come#comment-785 if trust is the foundation of sl then why wont LL trust us to be 18 or above? I trust whoever i am with to be of legal age ,and if they are not then thats there fault because by signing up for sl they have already told the world that they are 18 or above. if someone lies when they sign on thats there fault , don't make me give up my right to anonymity to sop there lying . if trust is the foundation of sl then why wont LL trust us to be 18 or above? I trust whoever i am with to be of legal age ,and if they are not then thats there fault because by signing up for sl they have already told the world that they are 18 or above. if someone lies when they sign on thats there fault , don’t make me give up my right to anonymity to sop there lying .

]]> By: Dalien Talbot http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come/comment-page-1#comment-712 Dalien Talbot Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:31:28 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come#comment-712 So they are going to do this for *all* avs, including the premium ones ? pfff. Aren't we supposed to be on main grid only if we are over 18 ? So they are going to do this for *all* avs, including the premium ones ? pfff.

Aren’t we supposed to be on main grid only if we are over 18 ?

]]> By: dandellion http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come/comment-page-1#comment-709 dandellion Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:50:32 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come#comment-709 Actually, I do think that <a href="http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/user-generated-censorship">community is before the Lindens to decide what is ok</a> and what is not ok. But that doesn't mean giving the power to the zealots. That means, we can use some common sense to decide about warnings at landing points of each sim: "<b>This sim contains sex/violence/nipples/whatever. At this sim it is allowed to cage/ molest/ force play.... If you have exploited Linden's flaws (i.e. if you are under 18) or in the country and/or the community where such activity is prohibited, or you are offended by mentioned content, please teleport to nearest infohub or your home location. Thank you. </b>" Nice, polite and simple. Actually, I do think that community is before the Lindens to decide what is ok and what is not ok. But that doesn’t mean giving the power to the zealots. That means, we can use some common sense to decide about warnings at landing points of each sim: “This sim contains sex/violence/nipples/whatever. At this sim it is allowed to cage/ molest/ force play…. If you have exploited Linden’s flaws (i.e. if you are under 18) or in the country and/or the community where such activity is prohibited, or you are offended by mentioned content, please teleport to nearest infohub or your home location. Thank you. ” Nice, polite and simple.

]]> By: Vint Falken http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come/comment-page-1#comment-708 Vint Falken Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:34:59 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come#comment-708 Before I would even consider, I would like to see a 'use of your personal data and privacy' disclaimer from Aristotle themselves. And I don't think this <em>It's been expected that community will take care about land-owners who "forgot" to flag their restricted content</em> will work. Although, if you look at the amount of zealots we've gotten recently. *shivers* Before I would even consider, I would like to see a ‘use of your personal data and privacy’ disclaimer from Aristotle themselves. And I don’t think this It’s been expected that community will take care about land-owners who “forgot” to flag their restricted content will work. Although, if you look at the amount of zealots we’ve gotten recently. *shivers*

]]> By: dandellion http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come/comment-page-1#comment-698 dandellion Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:39:57 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come#comment-698 I didn't know Sera is running <i>interesting</i> business. :p I didn’t know Sera is running interesting business. :p

]]> By: Dalien Talbot http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come/comment-page-1#comment-697 Dalien Talbot Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:31:23 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come#comment-697 Seraphine: yeah. And as with any cost, there is inflation :-) Seraphine: yeah. And as with any cost, there is inflation :-)

]]> By: Seraphine http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come/comment-page-1#comment-689 Seraphine Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:05:38 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come#comment-689 I'll do it. There's no choice really. I don't have to *like* it. It's the cost of inhabiting this otherwise remarkable world. I’ll do it. There’s no choice really. I don’t have to *like* it.
It’s the cost of inhabiting this otherwise remarkable world.

]]> By: Eidur http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come/comment-page-1#comment-685 Eidur Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:44:29 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come#comment-685 As far as I am premium account, I think they already have all the infos they need about me (i.e. my CC number...). So why should I take this other step? As far as I am premium account, I think they already have all the infos they need about me (i.e. my CC number…). So why should I take this other step?

]]> By: London Spengler http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come/comment-page-1#comment-683 London Spengler Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:04:37 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come#comment-683 To me, the verify idea is simply a way to cover LL legal asses, and I think the effect on the grid will not be too dramatical… … but yes, I don’t like it anyway. My liberty to access anywhere will be limited, and I am sure there will be thousands of witch hunts (that’s good, at least, LL could manage hundreds, but not thousands, they will probably ignore them as they did with the griefing). To me, the verify idea is simply a way to cover LL legal asses, and I think the effect on the grid will not be too dramatical…

… but yes, I don’t like it anyway. My liberty to access anywhere will be limited, and I am sure there will be thousands of witch hunts (that’s good, at least, LL could manage hundreds, but not thousands, they will probably ignore them as they did with the griefing).

]]> By: karl herber http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come/comment-page-1#comment-678 karl herber Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:25:45 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/identity-verification-has-come#comment-678 Never mind that in some countries it's actually illegal to give social security/passport/driving licence numbers to anyone, and in countries where it isn't illegal, well it bloodywell should be. Any one of these three items can be used by criminals for the purposes of identity theft and fraud, which ironically is what they're trying to prevent. The article says that the verification would be a simple online procedure, residents just type in the number and bingo. Done. What happens next? That data packet containing my passport number goes on around 30 or so "hops" from one internet server to another, between here and Lindenlabs (or other company I've never heard of before today). Any one of those stages is vulnerable to hacking, interception, screen-scraping, or just an unscrupulous employee at some random internet provider looking at a screen. If the worst does happen and my identity is stolen, I've also effectively given away any possible recourse for compensation, simply by being stupid enough to give my passport/social security details online. No lawyer in the land would be able to defend me. Um. No thanks. So what does this mean for me? Well. Given that residents with "adult sites" will be expected to ban non-verified residents, I guess that means I won't be able to go in any sex clubs, bdsm dungeons etc. Hmm. Not like I ever go in places like that anyway. No biggie, if I'm banned from places I never visit anyway. If the scheme is extended, though, I will really have no choice but to quit SL altogether. Someone suggested that it's no different from giving your credit card number to make a purchase online, but it's not. If I make a purchase online, and my credit card number is hacked and stolen, and someone uses it to make fraudulent purchases, I can cancel my credit card and get my money back. If I give my social security number and someone hacks that, they get ALL my personal details. If they use that to commit fraud under my identity, I can't get my social security number changed. If that person commits a crime using my personal details, it could well be me that gets arrested for it. Never mind that in some countries it’s actually illegal to give social security/passport/driving licence numbers to anyone, and in countries where it isn’t illegal, well it bloodywell should be. Any one of these three items can be used by criminals for the purposes of identity theft and fraud, which ironically is what they’re trying to prevent.

The article says that the verification would be a simple online procedure, residents just type in the number and bingo. Done. What happens next? That data packet containing my passport number goes on around 30 or so “hops” from one internet server to another, between here and Lindenlabs (or other company I’ve never heard of before today). Any one of those stages is vulnerable to hacking, interception, screen-scraping, or just an unscrupulous employee at some random internet provider looking at a screen. If the worst does happen and my identity is stolen, I’ve also effectively given away any possible recourse for compensation, simply by being stupid enough to give my passport/social security details online. No lawyer in the land would be able to defend me.

Um. No thanks.

So what does this mean for me? Well. Given that residents with “adult sites” will be expected to ban non-verified residents, I guess that means I won’t be able to go in any sex clubs, bdsm dungeons etc. Hmm. Not like I ever go in places like that anyway. No biggie, if I’m banned from places I never visit anyway. If the scheme is extended, though, I will really have no choice but to quit SL altogether.

Someone suggested that it’s no different from giving your credit card number to make a purchase online, but it’s not. If I make a purchase online, and my credit card number is hacked and stolen, and someone uses it to make fraudulent purchases, I can cancel my credit card and get my money back.

If I give my social security number and someone hacks that, they get ALL my personal details. If they use that to commit fraud under my identity, I can’t get my social security number changed. If that person commits a crime using my personal details, it could well be me that gets arrested for it.

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