Comments on: Whose Legislature Is This? http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this gonzo phenomenology of virtual worlds, by dandellion Kimban Tue, 08 Jun 2010 23:39:22 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: dandellion http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this/comment-page-1#comment-1333 dandellion Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:48:15 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this#comment-1333 Most reasonable things are not necesserily those which will be implemented. Most reasonable things are not necesserily those which will be implemented.

]]> By: Smiley Barry http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this/comment-page-1#comment-1332 Smiley Barry Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:16:06 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this#comment-1332 Hmm, I can't seem to find the Club65 website O.o I guess they <i>did</i> close it down... Hmm, I can’t seem to find the Club65 website O.o I guess they did close it down…

]]> By: Smiley Barry http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this/comment-page-1#comment-1330 Smiley Barry Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:14:08 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this#comment-1330 Holy s***! Good thing I just clicked "Subscribe" '^_^. Well, I guess a person's origin country for internet gambling. Sounds the most reasonable. We got Club65 that is "gambling" for Backgammon. Weird, they didn't close down that site >.> . Holy s***! Good thing I just clicked “Subscribe” ‘^_^.

Well, I guess a person’s origin country for internet gambling. Sounds the most reasonable. We got Club65 that is “gambling” for Backgammon. Weird, they didn’t close down that site >.> .

]]> By: dandellion http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this/comment-page-1#comment-1157 dandellion Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:47:55 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this#comment-1157 That would go just as EULA's and other ToS which we all click ok and forget since there are software installed by user. (it's a deal for the embassy ;) ) That would go just as EULA’s and other ToS which we all click ok and forget since there are software installed by user.

(it’s a deal for the embassy ;) )

]]> By: Vint Falken http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this/comment-page-1#comment-1155 Vint Falken Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:53:28 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this#comment-1155 <em>you would be expected to conform to the laws which restrict activity on that sim for the local jurisdiction.</em> Would that imply that when visiting that certain sim, I first get a notice I'm getting on 'foreign soil' and then get +10k pages with that countries regulations?! Thanks but no thanks then. you would be expected to conform to the laws which restrict activity on that sim for the local jurisdiction.

Would that imply that when visiting that certain sim, I first get a notice I’m getting on ‘foreign soil’ and then get +10k pages with that countries regulations?! Thanks but no thanks then.

]]> By: Vint Falken http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this/comment-page-1#comment-1154 Vint Falken Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:51:29 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this#comment-1154 <em>I cannot remember how many signatures is needed to ask UN to recognize a country….</em> You have mine. Can I get embassy employment status then? *grins* *throws out the traffic tickets* ;) But it is indeed a good question. Especially as whatever is decided, totalitarian governments and the like will be likely to restrict access to certain sites, server parks, ... anyway? :/ I cannot remember how many signatures is needed to ask UN to recognize a country…. You have mine. Can I get embassy employment status then? *grins* *throws out the traffic tickets* ;)

But it is indeed a good question. Especially as whatever is decided, totalitarian governments and the like will be likely to restrict access to certain sites, server parks, … anyway? :/

]]> By: Anony Mouse http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this/comment-page-1#comment-1137 Anony Mouse Tue, 25 Sep 2007 02:47:37 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this#comment-1137 Jonathan, If you knowingly incite or entice others to break the law in their jurisdiction, you are in some way culpable. Without knowing the specifics of the case against Carlton it's not possible to comment on how foreign law should apply to people in another country in this situation. Anony Mouse Jonathan,

If you knowingly incite or entice others to break the law in their jurisdiction, you are in some way culpable. Without knowing the specifics of the case against Carlton it’s not possible to comment on how foreign law should apply to people in another country in this situation.

Anony Mouse

]]> By: Jonathan http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this/comment-page-1#comment-1126 Jonathan Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:06:47 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this#comment-1126 Anony, Theoretically, you're right. However, what will happen if one of those persons, residing in California and producing Ageplay anime, for example, will come to Israel to attend a meeting in the Parliament regarding legalising Ageplay in Israel? Well, in the case of Carlton, he was arrested after being invited by our own parliament. I believe the US will do the same with operators of online casions. Anony,
Theoretically, you’re right. However, what will happen if one of those persons, residing in California and producing Ageplay anime, for example, will come to Israel to attend a meeting in the Parliament regarding legalising Ageplay in Israel?

Well, in the case of Carlton, he was arrested after being invited by our own parliament.

I believe the US will do the same with operators of online casions.

]]> By: dandellion http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this/comment-page-1#comment-1124 dandellion Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:15:15 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this#comment-1124 Recently two guy wanted to buy a non.functional oil rig in Nothern Sea (or something extraterritorial like that). Well, you need to buy it from the country and governments don't want to do such business with independent entrepreneurs who like to set up servers :) But I love that idea :p I cannot rememberhow many signatures is needed to ask UN to recognize a country.... Recently two guy wanted to buy a non.functional oil rig in Nothern Sea (or something extraterritorial like that). Well, you need to buy it from the country and governments don’t want to do such business with independent entrepreneurs who like to set up servers :)

But I love that idea :p

I cannot rememberhow many signatures is needed to ask UN to recognize a country….

]]> By: Anony Mouse http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this/comment-page-1#comment-1122 Anony Mouse Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:07:03 +0000 http://metaverse.acidzen.org/2007/whose-legislature-is-this#comment-1122 I've been wondering for some time whether it would be best to establish a virtual world on an independent island or micro-country such as "Sealand." This is one step below declaring such a thing as an "Independent State." As a matter of course most companies are only subject to the laws of the jurisdiction they reside in. That is to say if a company resides in California, that said company only has to comply with the federal laws of the US and that state of California. Most companies which provide a service like SL have a TOS which contains an "Applicable Law" section which requires you to agree to something to that effect. The provision may not be called "Applicable Law" in the SL TOS, but I believe it's there. This is one of the reasons I wrote on my blog about an independent grid, separate and distinct from SL that will have servers in other places whose laws may be more permissive. Visiting a sim hosted in China would be like visiting China in a way... you would be expected to conform to the laws which restrict activity on that sim for the local jurisdiction. Some sims would be more free than others. It's almost funny that, in this debate, we start to see the need for a world government. Anony Mouse "Freedom is paid for by the blood of the innocent." ~ Unknown I’ve been wondering for some time whether it would be best to establish a virtual world on an independent island or micro-country such as “Sealand.” This is one step below declaring such a thing as an “Independent State.”

As a matter of course most companies are only subject to the laws of the jurisdiction they reside in. That is to say if a company resides in California, that said company only has to comply with the federal laws of the US and that state of California. Most companies which provide a service like SL have a TOS which contains an “Applicable Law” section which requires you to agree to something to that effect. The provision may not be called “Applicable Law” in the SL TOS, but I believe it’s there.

This is one of the reasons I wrote on my blog about an independent grid, separate and distinct from SL that will have servers in other places whose laws may be more permissive. Visiting a sim hosted in China would be like visiting China in a way… you would be expected to conform to the laws which restrict activity on that sim for the local jurisdiction.

Some sims would be more free than others. It’s almost funny that, in this debate, we start to see the need for a world government.

Anony Mouse
“Freedom is paid for by the blood of the innocent.” ~ Unknown

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