13 Responses for "Let’s Stop Griefing, Please"

1. Timothy Lilliehook February 27th, 2008 at 5:36 pm 1

   I like the idea and would gladly support the JIRA, but if I go to that URL, I get an error that I have “tried to perform an operation which you are not permitted to perform” … this happens while I’m already logged in. And when I try to search for “sec-29″, I get the same error once again. Is that some kind of secret JIRA topic for a little group of rebels? ;-D

2. dandellion February 27th, 2008 at 5:40 pm 2

   Hmmmm…. I checked it and it works here. Try logging ont and then back in… maybe system got stucked. Or we need to yell for JIRA access as well? :)

3. Sin Trenton February 27th, 2008 at 6:13 pm 3

   I am having the same problems, big red texts about Forbidden, Violation, Security, Tresspassing.. or something. ;)
   Same with search. And on the SEC.. ummm.. I canät find anything.

   I’m probably not trusted enough.. *debates going to sulk on a prim or sign up with the SL Anarchists* :)

4. Ari Blackthorne February 27th, 2008 at 9:28 pm 4

   @ all of the above - I am getting the same as Timothy Lilliehook - exactly the same. logging in doesn’t matter. Something bizarre going on there. And when I do a manual search (text search) for SEC-29 - “Nothing Found”. Hmmm… me thinks: Conspiracy!

   Ari

5. Rheta Shan February 28th, 2008 at 1:18 am 5

   The idea is seductively simple. Combine it with Vint Falken’s proposal to link sanctions against miscreants to the credit card (instead of to the account), and you get the trappings of an identity system that could work for policing and legal sanctions. Hmmm… got to mull this over some :)

6. Argent Bury February 28th, 2008 at 1:55 am 6

   I can’t get the JIRA to open either, so I’m hesitant to state opinions on it here. Are you basically saying that people without payment info on file shouldn’t be able to script/push? That, coupled with tying ARs to credit cards would certainly be a powerful deterrent.

   It might complicate things for new visitors to SL, though. I guess it’s like any security measure - making life difficult for the badguys is good to a certain point, but overly strict or complicated measures make life difficult for the goodguys too.

   I’m sure we can rely on the highly skilled, decisive, and intelligent people at LL to make the decision that balances those factors out :P

7. dandellion February 28th, 2008 at 2:36 am 7

   Thanks for the support. And *phew* it is good that I am not the only one that finds this good. That usually happens to me with simple ideas.

   Now only to make that page accesssible.

   Argent, how is it complicated to noobs. They still have those options in sandboxes and other areas whose owners set their preferences for that. Good thngs is that the rest of the places, those with higher griefing risk are not restrictive to residents whose identity is known to LL.

8. Argent Bury February 28th, 2008 at 5:47 am 8

   Ah, so it’s a parcel specific setting. In that case, I agree without reservation. I didn’t realize that because I can’t get to the JIRA. :P

9. Dalien Talbot March 1st, 2008 at 4:16 am 9

   It could be even simpler, imho - transitive trust.

   still allow the “unidentified avatars” to be “trusted”, IF they have been “endorsed” by another avatar who is “trusted”. Repeat recursively. Record the net of trust. Allow it to be seen.

   This way you can easily control (IMHO) the disease. If there’s a problem - you simply look up the chain of trust and revoke the endorsement from the person that you had trusted that caused the griefer to be able to act.

   Of course, there’s still a question of a mistake done by a “respectable person” (you trust A and B and C, they all trust D because it is a respected av, and D makese a mishap and trusts E who appears to be a griefer). But with a bit of more thought this would be quite workable imho.

10. dandellion March 1st, 2008 at 5:01 am 10

    Yes… but that is not simpler, at least not to suggest it to Lindens atm. But that is a system worth experimenting.

11. Drive Amat March 2nd, 2008 at 4:06 am 11

    I got banned from a good sandbox (Heron Island) by accidentally moving a scripted object into one of the owners. I’m not identified, so I would not be banned, but scripting is what makes sandboxes useful to me.

12. dandellion March 2nd, 2008 at 5:24 am 12

    No. What this suggestion is all about is that a parcel has a possibility to open or close running scripts to unidentified residents. Just like it can deny those permissions to all residents. I am sure that, at least some, sandboxes will be open for scripting just as they are now. If you need one now, just remind me when we are in-world and we’ll find one.
    Point of this JIRA is to make world more open and more secure at the same time.

13. dandellion March 27th, 2008 at 10:21 pm 13

    OK, the issue is now accessible and you can vote for it here: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1924 Thanks.